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on the wealthy. you guys are willing to go off the fiscal cliff? >> it republicans are not willing to let rates go back up, and we think they should go back to the clinton levels, a the a time when the american economy was doing exceptionally well, then there will not be an agreement. >> while geithner was drawing a line in the sand, house speaker john boehner was busy trying to lift his jaw off the flar after geithner presented the president's debt reduction plans to him last week. >> i was just flabbergasted. i looked at him and said you can't be serious. i have just never seen anything like it. >> yes, indeed, it seems that republicans are not quite sure what to make of the president taking a harder line across the bargaining table. >> you know, the president's idea of a negotiation is roll over and do what i ask. >> i think we're going over the cliff. it's pretty clear to me they made a political calculation. the president's plan is just, quite frankly, a joke. >> i'm not sure about that, senator graham, but there will be plenty of time for jokes later this evening with every member of cong
republicans on the so-called fiscal cliff. the president himself tweeted out plans for the q and a a short time ago saying he'll answer questions about the cliff, his proposal and pending tax hikes on the official white house twitter feed. press secretary jay carney insisted the white house is still optimistic it can reach a deal with congressional republicans. >> there has been progress, and we can achieve a bipartisan agreement. the obstacle remains at this point the refusal to acknowledge by republican leaders that there is no deal that achieves the kind of balance that is necessary without raising rates on the top 2%. >> and there are just 29 days to go for the two parties to find some sort of middle ground, and joining me now from the white house nbc news correspondent kristen welker. what's the back story on this it twitter q and a for the president, which should start any minute now? >> reporter: that's right. this is part of president obama's full court press to get the public on board to pressure republicans to sign on to his plan to increase taxes for those making $250,000 or mor
house is prepared to go off the fiscal cliff, unless the republicans bend on taxes. comment by former democratic presidential candidate howard dean frightened republics that this debate is not just about raising taxes on the rich. >> the truth is, even needs to pay more taxes. not just the rich. that is a good start. we are not getting out of the deficit problem unless we raise taxes across the board and go back to what bill clinton have. >> some liberals pushed the president to raise the debt ceiling himself, claiming he has executive power through the 14th amendment. jay carney reveals today the white house studied that, does not believe the president has the power. that means we are headed for another major showdown with congress over the debt ceilin ceiling. >> bret: more with the panel. ed henry, thank you. republicans are losing one of the most conservative voices on capitol hill. south carolina senator jim demint surprised a lot of people today when he announced he is leaving the senate. but staying in washington to run the conservative heritage foundation think tank. he joins
said i think if we go over the fiscal cliff it will help republicans. that would be stupid. absolutely stupid. if you care more about your party than your country, we will never make it. so you get in there and you do that negotiation. you know damn well, if anybody doesn't think taxes are going to go up for the rich, the drinks are on me. anybody with a brain knows that this guy, obama, that is his only insistence. but no someone favor -- go look at the tax code. that is what we spent eight months doing. looking at this code. in there is $1,100 ,000,000 of tax expenditures, tax earmarks spending by any other name. guess what? 20% of the american people use 80% of it. who do you think that is? that is you and me and the guys with money. only 27% of the american people itemize. that means three-quarters of the american people never heard of those goodies. so if you want to get something from the rich, just go in to the tax code and start ripping. you don't have to call at it tax increase. it will take time to do. that is where you get your scratch. >> bret: there is so much talk about t
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the republicans sent him a fiscal cliff counteroffer. >> if the president doesn't agree with our proposal and our outline, i think he's got an obligation to send one to the congress. and a plan that can pass both chambers of congress. >> by trying to keep gop frustration on the president, boehner appears to be keeping conservative lawmakers off his own back for now. >> what's mood inside the conference. >> very united, very supportive with the speaker. >> multiple sources tell cnn in a private meeting with house republicans, boehner got no flow back for producing $800 billion in tax revenue, despite backlash from conservative groups outside congress. >> any complaints about this new revenue? >> i didn't hear anything. >> the speaker has full support of the conference to move forward and get something done for the american people. >> so far, rank and time republicans are allowing boehner to play out this showdown, trying to look reasonable while the president is intransigent. especially since republicans privately admit they have been losing the message board on the white house. >> the revenues we
averting the fiscal cliff, but he's just not talking to house republicans about it. at the white house, he discussed the issue with a bipartisan group of governors. >> i know that the president wants a deal and he didn't try to handicap it. >> reporter: earlier this week, he told so-called middle class americans on twitter, keep pressure on congress. he's even ventured outside the beltway rallying supporters to do just that. >> i'm going to be asking for you to be making your voices heard. >> reporter: why isn't he calling speaker boehner? >> we speak frequently. >> reporter: when will the two of you sit down in a room? >> i don't think the issue right now has to do with sitting in a room. >> reporter: in part, the white house was burned with the negotiations in 2011 when lots of meetings failed to stave off a fiscal nightmare. but there's another strategy at play. some in the administration say they learned in the first term the best way to break washington stalemates, rally the public to their cause. here's how the president put it to cbs news. >> so getting out of this town, spending mo
, not a serious offer. one second. tim geithner from sunday. >> to go over this fiscal cliff because republicans won't raise tax rates on the wealthiest 2% of american would subject the average american to big tax increase and enormous damage from the other cuts that would happen. there is no reason why the country has to go through that. bill: the focus is all on taxes and tax rates and not on spending. how can you be serious when you want to raise $1.6 trillion in taxes at a time when growth is around 2? >> that's the point i was making. they complain about want to go cut spending but they made no offer to cut spending. when the president talked about cutting spending, when they talk about defense spending what happens? they attack him. for the entire campaign all we heard about was how obama wanted to cut medicare. so which is it? i it he cut too much or he doesn't cut anything? and where is there offer? if they say they are the party of cutting spending stop talking about the democrats, make an offer. >> mitch mcconnell is out there every single day saying these are the entitlement changes t
closer to the fiscal cliff i think many republicans will realize it is an indefensible position to go back to their districts and say to 100% of their constituents, your taxes are going to go up because i was protecting 2%. >> okay. let me ask you about your party because one question is why is it so important to you, to the president, to other democrats that rates go up on the 2%, the wealthiest americans, because i know there are a lot of issues at play here, but it seems as though your side will not go anywhere until you get that. is that correct? >> no, look, what's important to me and to my party is that we reduce our debt. what's important is that we reduce our debt, but not on the backs of middle class and seniors. what's important is that we have debt reduction that is big, bold and balanced. to do that, you have to cut spending. we have already voted for $2 trillion in cuts. >> you won't budge on that 2%. i just want to make crystal clear that's the deal. >> we can negotiate. i'm all for talking and reasonable compromise, but it doesn't look like we're going to be able to get
for the heart and soul of the republican party. first the war of words over the fiscal cliff with hard core conservatives pushing boehner to hold firm on tax cuts and yesterday a livid or vivid illustration of the split was on display when bob dole wheeled himself on to the floor he once led that would ban discrimination against people with disabilities but the world war ii vet saw his efforts go down in bitter defeat due to several members of his own party voting know. joining me is congressman j.c. watts of illinois. what happened to the unity once displayed in the party not just the tax issue but not being able to pass something that was a republican idea like the u.n. disabilities treaty championed by folks like former senate majority leader dole, former president george h.w. bush what happened? >> thomas, i've been traveling the last couple of days and i've not seen all the details of what happened there, but obviously the republican party we're at a time of trying to reorganize we've had our heads handed to us a couple of times and national elections 2008 and 2012 and you know, there'
and republican side on the fiscal cliff. some breaking news on what the white house asked for and whether republicans are going to give it to them. we're going to talk about that. back to you. >> we'll be watching you top of the hour. thanks so much. >> up next, the vice president of the united states, joe biden, goes shopping and eating. >> get fat just walking through this store. >> the vp visited costco, but needed some help with his shopping list. jeanne moos shows us why. to help those affected and to cover cleanup costs. today, the beaches and gulf are open, and many areas are reporting their best tourism seasons in years. and bp's also committed to america. we support nearly 250,000 jobs and invest more here than anywhere else. we're working to fuel america for generations to come. our commitment has never been stronger. of washington about the future of medicare and social security. anncr: but you deserve straight talk about the options on the... table and what they mean for you and your family. ancr: aarp is cutting through all the political spin. because for our 37 million membe
the president's fiscal cliff plant to republican house speaker john bain and not buying it. he just said white house needs to get serious and the markets are turning lower. also had fiscal cliffs survival kit home additions that you contain right now to prepare. dennis: blamed superstorm sandy. retailers playing the blame game for week november same store sales. analysts already asking what it really the storm or the economy did pull those numbers down? cheryl: we are watching a power ball conference this hour with more details expected on the two winners of the $580 million record jackpot from missouri and arizona. of gone home to buy my ticket. dennis: stocks every 15 minutes, nicole petallides, for the stock exchange where stocks the suddenly lower on more cliffphobia. nicole: i can say in the wall street traders saying every headline out of washington moving this market, fiscal cliff phobia is a good way to say it, whatever you want to call it we have seen so many dramatic moves in the market, a particular companies making moves in preparation or all been wary about the fiscal cliff, let's
administration is fully prepared to go off that fiscal cliff if republicans don't agree to tax hikes on the wealthiest americans. let's bring in congressional correspondent kate bolduan. the white house won't budge on taxes. the republican led house takes a break. can you make sense of this for us? >> i think that's a little above any of our pay grade trying to make sense of it all other than it seems that it's one more fight that we've seen over and over again and we are seeing once again it play out almost as it appears slow motion, carol. you mention the call between speaker boehner and president obama. they may have talked. no read out of the call per se. we are still a long way away from a deal that is for sure. why? because at its most basic neither side is giving on their primary position. president obama continues to insist over and over again any deal must include a tax rate increase on the top 2% of wage earners which republicans just as firmly insist is a nonstarter. today the president is going to continue his public pressure campaign according to the white house, he's me
house republicans to avoid the so-called fiscal cliff. also president obama's getting ready to speak this hour about an urgent national security issue. u.s.-led efforts to try to track down and eliminate loose nuclear weapons. that's coming up. >>> also, frightening now revelations about an al qaeda plot for a three-part terror attack on the united states embassy in iman, jordan. i'll ask the country's foreign minister for details. he's standing by live. i'm wolf blitzer. you're in "the situation room." >>> we begin this afternoon with brand-new republican offers to try to save the $2.2 trillion and avoid the so-called fiscal cliff. the across-the-board spending cuts and sharp tax increases that hit in just 29 days. let's get straight to our senior congressional correspondent dana bash. she's watching what's going on. dana, the tax rates, first of all, let's get to a major sticking point right now. there's been a counterproposal from house republicans to the white house. you have details. >> reporter: that's right. let's start exactly where you just began on those tax rates because t
counterproposal on avoiding that fiscal cliff. the republican plan totals $2.2 trillion in deficit reduction over ten years. now, the part that stood out to us was the $600 billion in proposed savings in medicare reforms in part by raising he will he wieligibility from 65 t. dn pfeifer says it provides to details on which deductions they would eliminate, which loopholes they will chose, or which medicare savings they would would achieve. jason is the chief political correspondent at politics 365 and john bray bend ser a republican political consul can't and former senior strategist. welcome to you both. >> good morning. >> good morning. >> so i keep wondering, you know, why are the two parties negotiating in public? wouldn't it be better if they negotiated behind closed doors, jason? >> they're not going to negotiate behind closed doors because nothing gets done. what you see right now with the republican proposal on monday, it was similar to what the democrats were offering in 2010. and john boehner is under a tremendous amount of pressure to look tough. they want to beat their chests and say we
to stay. >> thank you very much. what's next for the fiscal cliff debate? republicans are furious and president obama drawing a red line over middle class taxes. want to bring in steven moore with "the wall street journal." so, hello, sir. >> hi. >> let me show you, here is his new book on taxes and wealth in america. you wrote an opinion piece, steven, saying democrats only want one thing, higher taxes. you say democrats probably won't offer any serious spending cuts. why do you think that? there's no compromise in sight here? >> i just don't see it. you know, don, i was thinking a couple of weeks ago they would certainly reach an agreement, we wouldn't fall off the fiscal cliff, that people's taxes wouldn't go up in january. but now i'm not so certain about that. as you look at the negotiations so far and, look, my sources are on the republican side of the aisle, but what they're saying to me is this president doesn't want to deal from us, he want a surrender from us. so far what has been offered as jessica said has really been, you know, poison to the republicans. i'm not going
the fiscal cliff and then blame the republicans for it. just before we went on air tonight, senator max bachus, who chairs the senate finance committee, a democrat, indicated that scenario isn't out of the realm of possibility. listen to how he put it. >> if the other side is completely intransigent that the president has probably no choice but to say, okay, we're going to go over the cliff. that would not be my first preference. >> yeah. the senator pretty serious about that. bottom line, tonight both sides say that talks are stalled. the democrats are turning up the pressure on republicans. in a moment, our political panel will have some fun with this one, certainly about the president's opening offer, but first, congressman lee terry joins me live. i know there's a bit of a delay so i will ask the question, we can wait a moment and i will get your answer. i love it when politicians talk from the hip, especially using colorful language like "we're screwed either way," but i don't understand what you mean, because as i see it, there's still this extraordinarily powerful tool called the
over the fiscal cliff talks. now republicans and democrats can't even agree on where things stand. >> no substantive progress has been made in the talks. >> and you know there is progress. >> treasury secretary tim geithner sat down with bipartisan congressional leaders to keep pushing for a deal. a top boehner aide said the plan geithner presented is, quote, completely unrealistic. and a top democratic aide said republicans have taken to screaming at them. if no action is taken by december 31st, 650 billion in cuts to the pentagon and domestic programs and tax increases automatically go into effect. after the meeting, the finger-pointing came quickly. republicans say democrats aren't bringing to the table a plan that include significant cuts to medicare and entitlement programs. >> revenue was only on the table. if they were serious. spending cuts. >> the white house drew its own line in the sand and said tax rates must go up on the top earners, but -- >> the middle-class tax cut should be made permanent. >> president obama stayed out of the fiscal cliff discussions and sat down
republicans want to solve washington's fiscal cliff dilemma, and what the democrats are saying about it. we'll talk about that, and much more with our special guest this morning, the former british prime minister tony blair is with us. but planes from iran. revolutionary guards showing off what they are claiming to be is a captured american drone. coming up why the pentagon says don't believe it. >>> and baby makes three at buckingham palace. the royal couple, will and kate, creating a media frenzy on both sides of the pond with word that they are expecting. we're going to go live to london. >> talk about this morning, in addition to tony blair, we're talking to democratic congressman xavier becerra, republican senator ron johnson from the state of wisconsin, also pat houston, whitney houston's sister-in-law and manager and jeopardy champion ken jennings written a new book. it's tuesday, december 4th, "starting point" begins right now. >>> welcome everybody, you're watching "starting point." we're honored this morning to have the former british prime minister tony blair with us as our guest
on the stump pressing republicans to cut a deal averting the fiscal cliff. >> it's like the lump of coal you get for christmas. it's a scrouge christmas. >> there's a stalemate, let's not kid ourself rs. >> reporter: things got tense after secretary geithner visited capitol hill thursday to present what republicans are calling an unreasonable proposal. it includes $1.6 trillion in new taxes. in part, through raising rates on the top 2%. and lips loopholes and reductions. $50 billion in stimulus next year, and $400 billion in medicare and other entitlement savings to be worked out. >> i think the proposal delivered here by secretary geithner was not a serious proposal. >> they want this extra spending that's greater than the amount willing to cut. >> democrats say it was just a starting point. and one republicans should counter. >> there will be prolonged negotiations. and all of us are going to have to get out of our comfort zones to make that happen. >> cnn learned last week the republicans gave the white house their own starting position, which democrats consider unbalanced. extending all
to avoid the fiscal cliff. but republican house speaker john boehner dismisses it as, and i'm quoting, la la land. the republicans offered their proposal, that happened about 24 hours ago. the white house quickly labels it as nothing new. business as usual, right? so how do we move beyond this stalemate in washington? we heard from the president, just a short time ago. our chief white house correspondent jessica yellin joins me now, jessica, the president spoke out, sat down in an interview with bloomberg tv, and in listening to the interview, did you hear any clues toward a possible compromise here? >> reporter: not new clues, brooke. the president laid down the marker that we heard from the white house consistently, which is they aren't moving until they hear the republicans agree to raise tax rates on the wealthiest. listen to what the president had to say. >> i think that, you know, we have the potential of getting a deal done, but it is going to require what i talked about during the campaign, which is a balanced responsible approach to deficit reduction that can help give businesses
to conversations about the the fiscal cliff with congress iion republicans. i can confirm this morning through my sources here at the white house and on capitol hill that there were no substantive conversations or negotiations yesterday at all. no formal e-mails, to conversations, nothing. house speaker boehner's countdown led to the lighting of the capitol hill christmas tree last night. >> three, two, one. >> reporter: but washington is counting down this month to the dark unknown of the fiscal cliff. >> thanks for having me. >> reporter: on his first view sbr interview on the fiscal cliff, he rejected john boehner's proposal. >> unfortunately the speaker's proposal is out of balance. >> reporter: raising taxes on households earning more than $250,000. >> we'll have to see the rates on the top 2% go up. we're not going to be able to get a deal without it. >> reporter: republicans want smaller tax increases overall and no movement on higher income tax rates. they want to cut unnamed tax bre breaks and deductions, which they say will do more to boost economic growth. the white house considers the
's somewhat abstract. >> how do republicans change that message, because we're in the middle of fiscal cliff negotiations, and all you hear are about preserving tax cuts for the wealthiest americans. that just feeds into this lack of connecting to the middle class that's been a problem. >> here's your answer and it's difficult and nuanced. traditionally republicans economic message that resonated with the middle class is our taxes will be lower on you. democrats have co-opted on that. they promise taxes on the middle class but do it simultaneously with giving high spending that. cannot last forever so republicans have to make people realize that is a utopia that doesn't exist. you can't have low taxes and high spending that democrats are currently promising. >> we've had $520 billion spent on jobless benefits over the past five years, and i bet they are probably pretty evenly divided between republicans and democrats and the big message on government spending has been distorted because we've had a crazy recession. i want to bring in anna because the president built that winning location of a
and the election wasn't over and we didn't have the prospect of going over the fiscal cliff. today the house republicans in a big development put out a plan and i am sure it is not on its face acceptable to the president and the democrats here but interestingly it has the same total number of savings and tax revenues as the president does over 10 years, $2.2 trillion. that is a lot more spending and entitlement reform in the president plan -- republican land and the democratic plan but now they can fill things in and the president has to be at the table to close the deal. he has the mandate to do it. >>neil: part of the mandate means both sides should give a little. obviously the republican plan has a debt commission feel to it but beside that i am wondering if it and tough and i know you are leaving the senate and i have always said, and i am not blowing you smoke you are one who tries to find areas of agreement and move the ball forward and we can be dogmatic all we want but in the end, you have reminded me, senator, it is about getting things done and right now washington is the hatfields
will hurt our economy and will cost american jobs. republicans have taken action to avert the fiscal cliff by passing legislation to stop all the tax hikes. to replace the sequester, and pave way for -- pave the way for tax reform and entitlement reform. and we're the only ones with a balanced plan to protect the economy, protect american jobs, and protect the middle class from the fiscal cliff. but without spending cuts and entitlement reforms, it's going to be impossible to address our country's debt crisis. and get our economy going again and to create jobs. so right now, all eyes are on the white house. the country doesn't need a victory lap. it needs leadership. it's time for the president, congressional democrats, to tell the american people what spending cuts they're really willing to make. with that i'll take a few questions. >> speaker boehner, why will you not tell democrats what specific spending cuts you would like to see, especially within en titlements? >> it's been very clear over the last year-and-a-half, i've talked to the president about many of them. you can can look at
for a fiscal cliff proposal with $800 billion in tax increases. >> republicans should not be conceding that the federal government needs more money, negotiating with ourselves. >> reporter: demint really made a name for himself in recent years as a tea party king maker raising millions to help elect half a dozen like-minded conservatives to the senate. marco rubio, rand paul, johnson and ted cruz. >> i've played a role in stocking the senate with solid conservatives who are younger and brighter and better spokesmen than i am. and so i know i'm leaving the senate better than i found it. >> reporter: but demint also infuriated republican leaders by backing several gop primary candidates who could not win their senate seats. remember christine o'donnell? cnn is told senate republican leader mitch mcconnell was annoyed for backing o'donnell and a couple other losing candidates in 2010 and cost republicans the majority. at the time demint told us he was unapologetic and still is. you're trying to send a message to the gop establishment. >> the gop establishment is out. and what we're going
. it gives republicans leverage. president obama has the leverage in the fiscal cliff fight. he's willing to let the tax go up on the middle class. on the debt increase he doesn't have the same leverage. bob woodward pointed out that tim geithner said to president obama if the republicans stick to their guns on the debt limit bill you cannot reto it. the consequences will be so clam to us that you cannot veto it. so obama would have capitulated. megyn: that's what simon is saying now. that we shouldn't put the country in that position. >> the only way we'll get action on this debt. we keep spending and spending and raising our debt by $6 trillion every obama term. that's what catastrophic. the republicans need to stick to the boehner rule. a dollar of spending cuts for every dollar in spending increases. why give in on taxes and the fiscal cliff fight when you will have all the leverage. megyn: simon? >> in the rasmussen poll that came out today the republicans lost 10 points since the election in the congressional generic fight. they are losing this economic argument right now. if they p
us from going off the fiscal cliff. they said by the way we need to raise the debt limit and this new proposal of eliminating congress from the process of raising the debt limit. >> senator mcconnell has offered to have an up or down vote on this and democrats haven't taken him up on it. all of the spending reductions that simon cited in the 1990s were tied to the debt limit increase. it gives republicans leverage. president obama has the leverage in the fiscal cliff fight. he's willing to let the tax go up on the middle class. on the debt increase he doesn't have the same leverage. bob woodward pointed out that tim geithner said to president obama if the republicans stick to their guns on the debt limit bill you cannot reto it. the consequences will be so clam to us that you cannot veto it. so obama would have capitulated. megyn: that's what simon is saying now. that we shouldn't put the country in that position. >> the only way we'll get action on this debt. we keep spending and spending and raising our debt by $6 trillion every obama term. that's what catastrophic. the republicans
the fiscal cliff, voters will likely blame the republicans for that. is is that true sf. >> all of the polls show that right now. we know that the tax hikes go up. ben bernanke, the fed chairman, fears that it will throw the country into a recession. they have to be careful here as well. but democrats and the president clearly believe that they have the leverage to force an increase in these tax rates on the upper income americans before they agree to a deal. >> we'll all be watching the stock market as well. >>> the president also concentrating on recasting his new cabinet and one name that came up yesterday is a replacement for leon panetta at the defense department. >> it's possible, this is a real game of musical chairs right now. the president has to fill at least three big jobs, secretary of state, cia. if the president does not choose susan rice that means kerry goes to state and hagel goes to defense. we just don't know right now. all of those names are in play as we talk. >> this wouldn't be his first republican secretary of defense as well. bob gates. all right, george. >>> don't m
that if this is not good enough for the white house, we will go over the fiscal cliff. >> the white house rejects a republican counter offer. >> john boehner sent a proposal that offers more than $2 trillion in deficit reductions but no tax increase. >> he will not sign an extension of the bush era tax cuts for the top 2%. >> folks worried about the fiscal cliff, are you like me? are you worried about it and have no idea what it is? >> according to state tv iran's revolutionary guard captured a u.s. drone after it entered the iriranian air space over the persian gulf. >> but u.s. navy official says there are no missing drones. >> prince william and his wife katherine, expecting their first child. >> after the duchess was admitted to hospital. >> that child could grow up to be one of the most powerful unemployed people in the world. >> a search is under way in new york for a man accused of pushing another man to his death in the subway. >>> rg3, he made opportunities. >> 17-16 washington redskins. >> all that -- >> why don't you shut up? >> you are an embarrassment. >>
of the fiscal cliff and facing and there's a narrative, those critics of the republican party saying it looks like the republicans don't care about the middle class and care about the wealthy 2% so whether it's old white men as you and others have said or the 2% versus the 98%, either narrative is no good looking at race to how much cash you have in your pocket. 2% of a whole lot of 98% are trying to get their kids something nice for christmas and maybe if they're lucky get the kid in college with no debt. >> you're right, tamron. it is more than race. it is economics. and you're also right that the republican party will condemn itself to be on a national level, to be a party that's going to carry only a few western states, a shrinking number as the hispanic vote increases and a few states of the old south. and it will not carry the rest of the country. for reasons both of ethnicity and race and age and gender and, also, of economics. you can't sell the message that we're going to give tax breaks to millionaires and billionaires and forget about the middle class and expect to be elected presi
they come together. more and more voices say, this is going to go over the fiscal cliff at least for a few days in january. >> and democrats seem to be thinking that, if we go over the fiscal cliff, voters will likely blame the republicans for that. do you think that's true? or are democrats overplaying their hands? >> all of the polls show that right now. no one know was the consequences will really be if we go over that fiscal cliff. we know that the tax hikes go up. some estimates -- ben bernanke, the fed chairman, fears that it will throw the country into a recession. that would hurt the whole country, of course president obama as well. they have to be careful here as well. but democrats and the president clearly believe that they have the leverage to force an increase in these tax rates on the upper income americans before they agree to a deal. >> we'll all be watching the stock market as well. if that indeed happen. >>> the president is also concentrating on recasting his new cabinet and one name that came up yesterday is a replacement for leon panetta at the defense department. actu
to continue the conversation on fiscal cliff. this one republican has really been making news with this -- we'll call it an outside the box idea to avoid at least part of this fiscal cliff. he is suggesting to extend the bush cuts for the 98% of americans right now since at least both sides agree that has to happen and then haggle over the top 2% later. >> the republican in the middle of this all is congressman tom cole from oklahoma. congressman cole, speaker boehner and others have thrown cold water on this idea. let's clear this up right now. you still stand by this notion, pass the tax cuts for the 98% right now, deal with the 2% after the new year but essentially let those da tax breaks for the top 2% expire? >> i do think where we agree on 98%, we should take that off the table so americans don't have to worry about that. that actually strengthens our position. at the end of the day it's a discussion amongst republicans over tactic, not a division or debate. the president would be well advised if he's serious to actually bring spending cuts and entitlement reform to the table. we haven'
committee after republicans slapped the whole fiscal cliff plan came from the white house yesterday. here's the speaker. no substantive progress has been made between the white house and the house over the last two weeks. listen, this is not a game. jobs are on the line, the american economy is on the line and this is a moment for adult leadership bill: there were certainly sharp new reaction from republicans to a white house plan to avoid the fiscal cliff. this is the opening play by the president. here is house speaker john boehner who says that weeks of talks have gone nowhere. melissa: two weeks ago we had very product testify conversation at the white house but based on where we stand today i would say two things. first, despite the claims that the president supports a, a balanced approach, the democrats have yet to get serious about real spending cuts. and secondly, no substantive progress has been made in the talks between the white house and the house over the last two weeks. bill: the speaker considers that just absolutely wasted time. kentucky democratic congressman john yarmout
. >> tonight, richard wolffe on today's nonsense from republicans and where a deal on the fiscal cliff stands. and former health insurance executive wendell potter on what obama's proposed $340 billion in medicare cuts will mean for seniors. >>> vice president joe biden stumps for the middle class at a retail store that treats its workers right. i'll talk costco and fiscal cliff with steve greenhouse of "the new york times." >>> plus hostess executives tank their company and cost the people their jobs. so why are they still demanding millions of dollars in bonuses? >>> and we'll tell you how senator john mccain fits in with congressman louie gohmert's latest conspiracy theory. >> this administration sent planes and bombs and support to oust gadhafi so al qaeda and the muslim brotherhood could take over libya. >>> good to have you with us tonight, folks. republicans are walking tall in public but hanging their heads behind closed doors. john boehner struck a defiant tone during a news conference today. he blamed the president and democrats for stalling negotiations on a debt deal. >> despite t
, a lot of news to get to on this monday. first, of course, talks over the fiscal cliff. they are going nowhere fast. democrats, they're basically telling republicans, hey, ball's in your court. we'll take you live to the white house for that. also, as the city grieves over an nfl player's tragic breaking point, new debates today about gun control and domestic violence. you'll hear both. but first, the u.s. has long believed syria has a huge stockpile of chemical weapons. now new concerns that chemical arsenal is on the move. secretary of state hillary clinton today issuing another stern warning against syria, using these weapons. the syrian foreign ministry quick to respond here saying it would not use chemical weapons against its people if it had any, but this announcement as turkey is sending warplanes to its border with syria after the syrian military bombed a nearby town of ras al-ain. you can hear that and see the smoke. this is the turkish side of the border. this is fueling more fears that more of syria's violence will spill into its neighbor to the north, being turkey. security
cliff? >> if republicans are not willing to let rates go back up, and we think they should go back to the clinton levels, a time when the american economy is doing exceptionally well, then there will not be an agreement. >> but house speaker john bigger is digging in himself, admitting talks are going nowhere. speaker boehner also described the moment when secretary geithner first showed him the president's opening offer. >> i was just flabbergasted. i looked at him and said, "you can't be serious." i've just never seen anything like it. you know, we've got seven weeks between election day and the end of the year. and three of those weeks have been wasted with this nonsense. right now i would say we're nowhere, period. we're nowhere. we've put a serious offer on the table by putting revenues up there to try to get this question resolved. but the white house has responded with virtually nothing. they've actually asked for more revenue than they've been asking for the whole entire time. >> what are the chances we're going to go over the cliff? >> there's clearly a chance. >> lindsey
as democrats and republicans dig in and ramp up the rhetoric on the fiscal cliff. house speaker john boehner and senate majority leader harry reid trading jabs before the cameras on capitol hill. >> going over the fiscal cliff is serious business. and i'm here seriously trying to resolve it. and i would hope the white house would get serious as well. >> speaker boehner made very clear at his press conference that he thinks the ball is in your court and the president's court. he says democrats have got to get series about spending cuts. where is the disconnect? >> i don't understand his brain so you should ask him. okay? >> reid making those comments to our own kate bolduan. i'm joined by dan lothian. dan, we're learning more about the white house plan to deal with the fiscal cliff. break it down for us. >> reporter: right. this is the plan that secretary -- treasury secretary timothy geithner took up to capitol hill yesterday. it calls for $1.6 trillion in tax increases over a ten-year period more than republicans had anticipated. in addition to that, $400 billion in spending cuts that will
avoiding the fiscal cliff. new polling suggests support for president obama's position in the standoff with congressional republicans. >> the new associated press poll finds 48% of americans want tax cuts for wealthy to expire. and it says more people want to cut government services than raise taxes to reduce the federal deficit. >> now, if the nation goes over the cliff at the end of the year, it's going to affect everyone, including the unemployed, as abc's jonathan karl reports. >> reporter: melinda vega has been put on notice. if congress and the president don't get their act together, her unemployment checks will stop immediately at the end of the year. >> we're dependent on that money to pay our bills. >> reporter: she's been without a job for a year. her $450 a week unemployment check her life line. >> we won't be able to pay some of our bills and, i mean, you know, that's for christmas and things of that nature, probably off the table. >> reporter: she is not alone. without a deal, unemployment compensation will end for more than 2 million people out of work more than 26 weeks.
with republicans to get something done on the fiscal cliff. >> dan lothian, thank you. >>> two lucky ticket holders beat the odds and they will split the record $588 million powerball jackpot. one ticket was sold in arizona. the other many missouri. the winning numbers are 5, 16, 22, 23, 29, and the powerball is 6. victor blackwell is in atlanta. one person on facebook yesterday said to me it's better to burn the ticket, at least you get heat from it. for two people at least it's good they didn't burn it. >> it's 29 degrees out here, i wish i had the ticket i bought so i could get some heat. this morning i rolled over to determine if i was in the city where at least the winning ticket was sold. i found out i wasn't. million also have that moment this morning. so many people put their $2 down on the counter to win the largest powerball jackpot ever at $588 million. the second largest lottery jackpot, that was 656 million last march. this is happening because powerball made a move at the beginning of this year, increasing the ticket price from $1 to $2, which doubled the starting jackpot from 20 mill
the looming fiscal cliff. there are fresh signs that republicans may be in disagreement over the best way to avoid tax increases and spending cuts. oklahoma congressman tom cole says instead of risking a tax increase on everybody it would be better to let tax increases for the top 2% of earners go up. >> if congress does nothing, every family in america will see their taxes automatically go up at the beginning of next year. >> there has been no serious discussion by the white house on entitlements, medicare and medicaid. >> the president says he is still confident that a deal can be reached before christmas. and of course, the cliff is december 31st. >> exactly. i mean pressure is on here. the closer we get to the holidays, you know, the harder this thing becomes. i think one of the houses of congress goes on break december 14th. so i think the house. if you really look at the calendar here. deadline is tight and the president is trying to drum up public support here. now he is encouraging in the age of social media, twitter, folks get on twitter, use hash tag #my2k, the average family wo
fiscal cliff matters won't be discussed in the president's campaign to end the stalemate will continue. -election pond time since winning re-election, president obama welcomed the applause of hand-picked supporters and wa his calls tolicans not to ignore is calls to protect middle class households. >> it's time for us to work on >> reportel agreed to, which is allow eep middle class tax cuts for >> tax cuts for households that earn more than $250,000 to in a expire. increase.complicity and tax rate theyease. sted.hey're not interested. >> you're not going to grow the ou raiseif you raise tax rates on the top two rates. smalll hurt small businesses. econill hurt our economy. approach.y this is not the right r: toach. anythis impasse is one of many geithnerreasury secretary tim geithner, mr. obama's lead with t negotiator, will have meetings e bowlesth top congressional thisrs. othpson bowles met with all the ue.yers at both ends of 'mnnsylvania avenue. >> i'm not more optimistic or less optimistic. puthopeful but don't put me e nearnywhere near the optimistic category. tove got a long w
if congress refuses to ask. we go over the fiscal cliff rates reset under bill clinton and you're negotiating a tax cut not a tax increase. other thing the way weight of public opinion since that level has moved strongly against republicans. look who the public says they're going to blame if we go over the cliff, it's republicans because they see them as having forced the issue last time around, been willing to do this this time around. one reason boehner is grumbly and nervous because he doesn't have any leverage. >> i want to point this out. this is interesting in terms of the smoke and mirrors how this will play out for the republicans. in the "wall street journal" they write obama's flexible on highest tax rates. white house's flexibility, described by bowls, confirmed by the administration officials, could envision tax rates -- tax rate increase from the current level but was less than clinton era levels. if the republicans can say, we cut taxes from where they were under clinton it gives them cover though rates may go up. a weird, if there is an act of kabuki theater that would be it, r
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prepared to go over the fiscal cliff? >> oh, absolutely. again, there's no prospect to an agreement that doesn't involve those rates going up on the top 2% of the wealthiest americans -- remember, it's only 2%. the size of the problem in some sense is so large, it can't be solved without rates going up as part of that. again, i think there's broad recognition of that reality now. >> one fallback option republicans are reportedly considering is to accept tax cuts for the middle class, allow rates to go up for the wealthiest, and then start the fight over again during debt limit talks early next year. yesterday at a business roundtable of ceos, president obama took a hard line, warning his opponents not to consider this strategy. >> if congress in any way suggests that they're going to tie negotiations to dell creting votes and take us to the brink of default once again as part of a budget negotiation, which, by the way, we have never done in our history until we did it last year, i will not play that game. >> well, i wonder, the president's saying, steve, that, you know what, we can
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